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the '80s. if those claims bear out and sandusky is true, ate because went on far longer than they thought and so did perhaps the cover up. jason carroll has more in a moment we begin begin with the possibility of a coverup or at the least, a deep silence that might tarnish over penn state and joe pattern know the more we try to answer the questions that everyone wants answers to mortgage we run into fan fest stations of that culture, of that ecosystem, which everyone knows everyone and they are all connected somehow to penn state football. start with michael mcqueary who says he witnessed jerry sandusky raping a boy in the football team showers back in 2002. today, he is an assistant coach. prior to the incident, he was a penn state quarterback and teammate of jerry sandusky's son. according to the grand jury report, mcqueary's first call after that was to his own father, the father, according to a sports illustrate investigation, was an administrator at a health clinic
to which joe paterno has donated at least $1 million. the father told mcqueer troy go not to the police, nor to state child welfare authorities, but as far as we know, to joe paterno. paterno then reported the abuse to his now-indicted former athletic director tim curley and the university's now indicted former president of finance and and business, gary schultz. according to grand jury report, the account got weaker around weaker the further up the line it went. the full disclosure, some is very graphic, we think it is important for you to hear it, to understand the full context of the story, what we are talking about here. here is mcqueary's version as summarized by the grand jury. quote, he saw a naked boy victim two whosage he estimated to be 10 years old with his hands up against the wall being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked san does ski. here is joe paterno's version, according to the grand jury. quote, the graduate assistant had seen jerry sandusky in the
showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy. now, schultz, vice president and crucially, head of the university police, quote, schultz conceded that the report the graduate assistant made was of inappropriate sexual conduct by sandusky, however, schultz testified the allegations were not that serious. and neither schultz, who dealt with the massive millions penn state football generated nor curley who ran the athletic program, nor paterno who more or less was king of state college, none of them saw fit to bring in the police, even though all three either knew or say they were later made aware of a similar incident in 1998 in wit university and local police investigated and so did the local d.a. and child welfare. back then no charges resulted. the d.a. later disappeared and presumed dead. the counsel who signed off on the handling of that incident is this man, wendell courtney, went on to become counsel for jerry
sandusky's second mile foundation, he resigned last week n a place where everyone seems connected to everyone else, here is yet another connection, some are saying another conflict of interest. somehow with everyone so connected, how can joe paterno claim not to have known at that time about that 1998 investigation? the investigation of his right happened man and potential successor, jerry sandusky? four agencies were investigating explosive allegations, tim curley, his boss, if only in name, knew so how couldn't paterno? why was a police investigation launched in 1998 but not in 2002? after all in 2002, not only were the allegations more graphic, but there was a trusted eyewitness, mike mcqueary. was it because in 1998 the alleged victim's mother went first to penn state police but in 2002, mcqueary went first to paterno? just as a side note here, mcqueary is now claiming he did talk to police but there's no record of a police report and in any case you can as we have been reporting all week, penn state is exempt from commonwealth public record laws some they
have been hiding behind a legal qual of silence. they can open up their records butthy haven't chosen to do that second mile isn't talking either, north officials at the school the boy victim one was attending, the school continuing the theme of one connection after another, jerry sandusky was also coaching football. victim one's allegations were what ultimately led to sandusky's down fall, yet another case everything kind of being connected, the local d.a. had to hand off the case to state authorities because he, the d.a., is related by marriage to sandusky. his wife's biological brother is sandusky's adopted son. jerry sandusky had connections. jerry sandusky had clout. jerry sandusky was in many places idolized. last night we talked to the mother of the alleged victim number one that is what he is called in the grand jury report. she said something that really jumped out as us, we wanted to follow it up today what allegedly happened to her own son at his school.
listen to this jerry was also volunteering at your son's school, helping coach the football team? >> right. >> and he had a lot of privileges at the school sew could call students actually out of class? >> i guess. i really think that -- >> do you know what jerry was doing when he called your son out of class? >> i have no idea. >> but he would meet with him? >> i guess, yeah. >> we don't know exactly what happened at many of those meetings. the grand jury report does say they would sometimes go into the conference room or the weight room without supervision, but beyond that is unclear. what we know is jerry sandusky had access to this boy seemingly whenever he wanted at the boy's school. this man could get this boy out of any class, any time he wanted, and no one at the school would stop him.
yet when this young man finally had enough, when his mother raised the alarm at the school, jerry sandusky's reputation and connections nearly sequeled the investigation before it began. listen. >> i met with the guidance counselor and the principal. and when i did, they told me that my son had said some things about -- that there was a problem with jerry, and that he didn't know -- he didn't really admit anything at that point. he just said he thought he needed to tell somebody or it would get worse. >> that's a really brave thing for him to have said. >> and then -- yeah, it is. and then the principal said, oh, you know, jerry has a heart of gold. >> the principal said that to you, that jerry has a heart of gold? >> yes.
yes. and i said, listen, i was very upset at this point. i was extremely upset. i was basically yelling at them that they needed to call the police. i said i want you to call the police. i said call the police right now. i said it like three times. call the police right now. he said no. you need to think about -- they said i needed to think about the ramifications of what would happen if i did that. >> she was told she needed to think about the ramifications. the school district offered up a statement that said in so many words no comment. today, we sent susan candiotti to the school to search for answers. susan, what's the latest? >> well, you know, anderson, you've been talking about the wall of secrecy surrounding penn state university. and by comparison, the high school at the very least where alleged victim number one went, came forward and reported this to police. so you would think, arguably,
that the school would want to talk about that. but we also have questions about the concerns you heard from the mother of alleged victim number one. we thought we would get answers. we were wrong. take a look. i'm susan candiotti from cnn. >> can i help you? >> yes, you may. thank you very much. i'm here today because you were singled out for praise, actually, by -- i don't need to tell you, by the pennsylvania attorney general and as well as by the grand jury for the school's quick action in responding to allegations of abuse. we would very much like to talk to you about that, but also to the principal, of course, also talk about some other questions which i'm not sure if you're aware have come to light. thank you. this is from your lawyer? is that him right there? >> no, ma'am. that is not. >> is that the principal? >> no, it is not. at this time we gave the statement, and we would like to ask you to please leave at this time. we're just about to dismiss school, and we don't want you in amongst the students. >> can i leave my card for the
principal? thank you. may i ask who you are? obviously, you work at the reception desk. assistant principal? may i just ask who you are? >> i'm a guidance counselor. >> guidance counselor, thank you. can you speak with us also? >> no, i don't think so. >> do you know, the mom had also said that she was told at first, you might want to think twice about doing this because jerry sandusky has a big heart. >> okay, ma'am, we would ask that you refer to the statement and on the advice of our attorney, we are sharing that with you and ask that you leave at this time again. our students are about to dismiss. >> so after being handed that statement, we were shown the door by a security officer. that statement reads, in part, that they are cooperating fully with authorities, but due to the ongoing nature of this
investigation, they're not making any public comments. it was pretty disappointing, anderson. >> is it difficult to get people in the community to talk? >> reporter: constantly. you know, i spent part of my years growing up around here. penn state is beloved. there are many things about the community. it is so intertwined. people are really afraid to come forward. afraid of what it will do to penn state and the community. on the other hand i've been speaking to people privately. a lot of people are very afraid to speak publicly now. but i think in the days and weeks to come, we're already seeing that beginning to change, and we might see more of that in the days and weeks to come, anderson. >> susan, thanks. let's turn to jason carroll with our breaking news and new accuser and the possibility of many more dating back to the early '80s. jason, what's the latest? >> reporter: anderson, earlier today, i spoke with an attorney who says he's received more than
ten calls from people who say they, too, were victimized by jerry sandusky. he's formally representing one young man who says jerry sandusky sexually assaulted him back in the early '90s. i want you to listen to the attorney who is now representing him. can you tell me when the phone calls started and what was the nature of the call? >> well, i can tell you that there's a pattern that's emerged and -- not only the people that contacted us, but the calls that we've received. in every instance, sandusky used his position of trust and power and his ways as a coach and mentor to groom the families and the children. and after he did, would in some way act out on them. either at the schools, at the
events, on trips, at a variety of locations. and in some instances, he raped or assaulted them on one occasion, and in some instances, it's multiple. as it pertains to penn state, as soon as the revelations came forward that there had been what looked like a cover up or several victims, several victims started to make calls, realizing they weren't alone. and we took those calls and we're giving them support. and then as soon as sandusky gave the interview in which he denied the sexual abuse, the numbers of contacts that have been made with us at our office have really ratcheted up dramatically. when you hear sandusky, you really get a glimpse into the mind of the molester and the dimension that comes through his
denial. minimization and blame. he cannot and does not admit what he did to these kids. >> the victim that you were formally representing, why do you think he decided to finally come forward? >> he saw the interview sandusky did. and he felt a mixture of fury, despair and fear. and he shared with me that despair and fear and said that when i heard him say that he had not abused or raped or violated children, i knew that he had not only violated me, but he put a dagger in my heart and salt to the wounds. and he had deeper wounded my soul more than i had ever even
realized. and he then knew that he had to do something something more and made the call and urged me to carry it forward and speak with and for him. and indeed i do and i'm privileged and honored to do so. >> in the one case that you were formally representing, what is that man -- is he a young man at this point? what is he alleging that sandusky did? >> in some cases, it's child rape and abuse. in other instances, it's more isolated. in all instances, they were effectively groomed. in all instances, each of these young people, some older than others now, suffered in secrecy and silence and shame. this isn't just about sandusky raping children, this about an
institutional failure by many over decades to heed the warning signs and to protect the kids. and instead of protecting the kids, many, many adults chose to protect the reputation. protect the reputation. kids, many, many adults chose to kids, many, many adults chose to >> jason, the lawyer told you -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> reporter: i was just going to point out anderson that earlier this week, i just want to make a note of this, that when i spoke to jerry sandusky's attorney, i think you remember that interview, he said to me that he was expecting people, other people, to come forward and make claims and he was worried about that. he said i suspect anyone at any point early on in his career might want to take advantage of what's happening now and come forward and make some sort of a claim. so that was one of the points that jerry sandusky's attorney was actually worried about. >> i remember the attorney saying money might be the
motivation. those are the kind of comments that just infuriated, according to this attorney, his client and motivated the client to come forward. when i talked to victim number one's mother last night, she and her child heard jerry sandusky's interview and it angered them and upset them and made her son all the more determined to testify. did the lawyer give any number of exactly how many other alleged victims have approached him? >> well, according to what he tells me, more than 10. formally representing one at this point. what he's trying to do is trying to do their own investigation into these allegations to find out if they are credible. but what he has told me so far, he believes that the allegations being made, these new
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breaking news tonight in the penn state child sex abuse scandal. a new accuser claiming jerry sandusky raped him in the 1990s. his attorneys saying others have been calling. some motivated by anger at sandusky's interview. some claiming abuse dating back to early '80s. if sandusky turns out to be a serial abuser, and that's a big if at this point, there could be more victims out there.
joining us now, tom mesereau, who successfully defended michael jackson of child molestation charges. first of all this new -- these new allegations, how does this complicate his defense? >> well, anderson, this is deja vu for me. i don't know what happened or didn't happen. i'm not involved in the case. but in the michael jackson case, allegation after allegation kept surfacing and the media went crazy. they said he supplied a cancer-stricken child with alcohol for sex. they said oral sex went on in the shower. they said things went on in a pool. they said things went on in the bedroom. it was one charge after the other. i cross-examined every one these accusers. they fell like dominos. they've made contrary statements to investigators. they made contrary statements in lawsuits. they'd gone to the media looking for money. they'd been fired by michael jackson. it was just a debacle as far as i was concerned and the jury felt the same way. so they got a grand jury indictment, but there's no judge and no defense attorney and no cross-examination. so, all this stuff has been
leaked. everything is shocking. we don't know what the other side of the coin is going to look like until the defense does their investigation and gets their turn. >> it's also important to point out, and other attorneys pointed this out in the last few days. there have been other incidents in the past. the late '80s or early '90s, the mcmartin preschool, in which there was a huge mass hysteria, and ultimately there was nothing there. >> there was also a case in bakersville california, north of los angeles, which was very similar. all the children step forward. all of the people were convicted. they went to prison and eventually all the children came forward and said they were asked to make the statements. it never happened. people were released. people were raided. this is a great time for the prosecution. eventually, the defense strategy
will catch up. i don't know what's going to happen, but you can't get too carried away with what's happening at the moment. >> at the same time, we know jerry sandusky has given an interview in which he has admitted showering with children. he claimed, you know, there was horseplay involved, snapping of towels. he described, i guess, a naked little boy sliding down a thing -- sliding down in between the showers on with all the water on, all the sprays on. you also have mcqueary's testimony or a summary of his testimony, in which he says he saw a little boy in the shower being raped by sandusky. those seem to be facts, no? >> no, they're not necessarily facts at all. there was a disgruntled, fired employee of neverland ranch who said he saw michael jackson doing oral sex in the shower. and he was so discredited, they were practically laughing at him when the cross-examination was over. he bragged he was going to get a mercedes from jackson. he made contrary statements to many people. i mean, you don't know what the
flip side of this is. it's easy to make an allegation. it's easy to jump on the bandwagon when everybody is coming out with shocking testimony. i mean, why is everybody getting a lawyer, and why is everybody coming out at this late date? i assume they want lawyers 'cause they're planning civil lawsuits. how do you know the people weren't contacted by the lawyers who said you can make a lot of money, you know, hook up with me. let's jump in front of the media. i'm not saying that's happening. i'm saying it's a possibility. >> do you think sandusky made a mistake in giving an interview? do you think his lawyer made a mistake giving the interview? >> yes, i do, anderson. he wasn't prepared for that kind of give and take. i think it's very dangerous to have your client make statements. if the client is going to do it at this stage, it should be a prepared statement, not after give and take with a skilled journalist. i think he looked bad. i don't think he quite knew how to cope. >> not with a skilled
interviewer. it's not as if he was being asked a gotcha question. he was asked very basic questions like, are you a pedophile? do you find children sexually attractive? and his answer certainly seemed to raise more eyebrows than they settled. >> well, he's got to be a nervous wreck at this point. i can't imagine this guy even sleeping at night. i just don't think they was prepared for that kind of forum. i tell you, i can already see where the defense is going with a lot of this. they're going to say he's been on a college campus his whole life, dealing with people. he's a kid at heart. that's been his career. huge locker rooms and big showers. they're going to analogize it to a camp for boys where the counselors take care of these young men, get them into the shower, keep them supervised. they're going to say it all happened but it never went to the level of sex. that's going to be the defense, i believe. >> i appreciate your perspective. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, hundreds of
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"360 bulletin." >> anderson, in syria, human rights groups say security forces killed at least 13 people today and arrested dozens. they described explosions and gunfire in the suburbs of damascus. meanwhile, army authorities attacked a youth group office. italy's prime minister, mario monti, won a vote of confidence by a huge margin a day after taking office. the senate voted 281-25 to approve his government. lawmakers grilled steven chu for five hours over half a billion loan to solyndra. chu defended the decision and said politics did not influence the approval process. republicans meanwhile allege the company received the loan guarantee because a major investor was a fund-raiser for president obama's 2008 campaign. on wall street, the euro's
debt troubles caused the dow to lose 135 points. across the country, marches, demonstrations and arrest mark the two-month anniversary. in new york 300 protesters were arrested across the city. seven police officers were hurt during confrontations with protesters. thousands of protesters marched the brooklyn bridge this evening. we're going to get a live update from there in just a moment. demonstrators march in major cities, los angeles, washington, d.c., denver, atlanta. in portland, oregon, police arrested 25 protesters, citing them for disorderly conduct. protesters also marched through miami late this afternoon. but the biggest turnouts and the most arrests are here in new york. mary snow joins us live from the brooklyn bridge. what are you seeing out there right now? >> reporter: well, anderson, i can't give you an official count, but there were so many protesters that it took them about two hours to make their -- to get to the foot of the brooklyn bridge and cross, the last ones just crossing in the past half hour.
we see some protesters now coming back, returning. it's been fairly peaceful, capping off a day of protests that at times grew tense. the last arrests were about 65 at the foot of the bridge before this march began. but it was very peaceful as protesters were taken away with a kind of a symbolic arrest, civil disobedience before the march began. some of the protesters coming off now say they're going back to zuccatti park for a general assembly to meet. they'll plot out their next move. one thing they are vowing is they are not going away. anderson? >> is there a sense of what they do have planned for the next few days? >> reporter: for the next few days, no. and one of the big questions that i've been talking to protesters about is, do they have another physical spot that they want to occupy now that they've been evicted from zuccotti park?
and that's something they are still going over and planning. this protest was planned because of the two-month anniversary. they said they wanted to get through the day and plot out what comes next. they said they planned something in december about taking back homes. obviously, the big message of these protest has been against corporate greed, against big banks, and of course against people getting thrown out of their houses. that was one of the things they announced today. but in terms of the next few days, it's unclear. >> more on the occupy protests ahead. reactions can be extreme. coming up, two very different viewpoints. also ahead tonight t 21-year-old man accused of shooting at the white house. he was in court today. we'll tell you what he was charged with. [ man ] i got this citi thank you card and started earning loads of points.
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more now on the faceoff between occupy wall street protesters and police in new york. tonight, reports of at least 164 more arrests. some of them on the brooklyn bridge. that's on top of at least 177 arrests earlier today. some of the clashes have been bloody. thousands of protesters turned out to mark the two-month anniversary of the movement. earlier today, protesters tossed aside barriers around the park in the heart of the financial district. that's where they were camping until wednesday morning when police evicted them. the state supreme court upheld the ban. new york congressman peter king has been a fierce critic of the protesters. here's what he said after they were banned from living in the park. >> you try listening to them and they make almost no sense. these are people who are living in dirt. these are people involved with
drugs. there was violence. there was rape. life full of frustration. they should go see a psychiatrist. they're angry people. they're on the outside and screaming. you don't do it by living in dirt. you don't do it by carrying out rapes. you don't do it by carrying out anti-american slogans. >> congressman king made those comments yesterday and caught a lot of attention. i spoke to him earlier tonight. congressman king, you were quoted as saying the occupy wall treat protesters are basically anti-american tone. do you stand by that? what do you mean? >> i certainly do. first of all, the mayor was right having them be evicted. also the way the entire tone of
the demonstration of zuccotti park, living in their own feces and urine. to me, there was nothing admiral about the demonstrators. this is nowhere comparable to gandhi or martin luther king. >> supporters say he took many, many years to hone the message that many now think of as the man of gandhi. you're talking about isolated incidents here and there. but overall, the vast majority of these protests were peaceful, and people are just expressing themselves. >> i'm not saying they weren't peaceful. 157 were arrested. i'm talking about the conditions at zuccotti park. it was filthy. it was dirty. the health department in the city felt it was a chance of disease spreading. again, to me, any group that wants to be taken seriously should not be conducting itself that way. to me, there was nothing about that them would resonate with the american people. there was no real message coming from them. to me they were people living in
their own filth. >> you're pointing to specific examples. there was an exchange shown online but is it? a lot of people say it was the same thing done to the tea party. they're all calling for x, y or z. >> again, if you look at zuccotti park, there's nothing isolated about the conditions in which these people wanted to live. to me, there was absolutely nothing there that was resident with middle america, if you will. i didn't see the purpose. i had no idea why the media was covering it the way it was. you have a small, tiny percentage of people taking over a park, sleeping in a park, sleeping in their own feces and urine. that became a national movement. i don't see the nexus between what they were doing and anything else.
>> if that did start to feel candidates, or if it moved beyond occupying a physical space, is that something, "a" a that you can imagine happening, and "b" is that something that there would be in value in happening. >> if they feel strongly about political views, absolutely, get involved. have peaceful demonstrations. >> the general argument seems to be a tremendous disparity when it comes to individual wealth in the country and the corporations have gotten too greedy, too cozy with washington. do you agree with any of that? >> there's always certain things you can agree with. i don't own any corporate stock myself at all. i'm not necessarily that partisan republican. others think there's so much corporate power. the fact is you fight that out in the political world. you don't occupy a park. >> they say this is civil
disobedience. >> i don't consider civil disobedience to be violating other people's rights. the people went and listened to drums and bugles all night that lived down there. people with small businesses down there losing money and having laid people off because of the tumult that was being created there. i don't think it's right to be attacking police officers. but to have people breaking down barricades. there's a difference between a peaceful civil disobedience where you may sit down, not charging, not going through barricades. what happened today was not any way peaceful. it wasn't civil. it was violation of the law. >> congressman, i appreciate your time. >> anderson, thank you very much. >> the occupy wall street movement is inspiring strong reactions on both sides. joining me now is van jones, community organizer and president of rebuild the dream. he also served as an adviser to president obama.
how do you respond to the points that congressman king raised? >> i think he should be ashamed of himself. he never went down to the park. i was there myself personally. he said over and over and over again these smears, these lies that they're living in feces, whatever, that's completely made up. if you actually had been down there, they were keeping it very clean. they had some of the best kitchens in new york city set up down there. this is the kind of dismissal by people in power that's going to make this generation even more alienated. these young people are heros. any kind of violence, everybody denounces it. the protesters denounce it. the mayor himself said today that these protests today were largely responsible. they're heroes because they're sticking up for the american dream. he said they're un-american. they are saying we don't have jobs. they're saying we used to believe that if we worked hard we could get some place. now we have young people graduating with a ton of debt.
they did what we told them to do. now they're praying for an unpaid internship. we should be proud of them. also they're not against rich people. if you talk to them, they're not mad at economic winners. they're mad at the economic cheaters. that's the problem. they feel, listen, if you want to buy a yacht, they're not mad. but these people are mad when people try to buy a congressperson. you buy a yacht, fine. don't buy a congressperson. there's a generation of young people here and struggling people standing with them that feel the american dream has been turned on its head. the people who are not following the rules have been declared too big to fail on wall street. no matter what they do, they can't fail. the rest of us, we can't succeed. that is wrong. we should focus on what they're complaining about and stop complaining about them. h i talked to people, what they understand, a wide variety of complaints here. it's early on in the movement
and often times it takes a while for the movement to coalesce around the message. but there does seem to be confusion about what exactly the protesters want. what specifically. if you say are you going to field candidates? are you going to have a list of demands? it does not seem that there is stuff to coalesce around. >> well, listen, i gre that we >> well, listen, i gre that we -- i agree that we are now in a different phase. i don't speak for occupy wall street. i support them. and the people sleeping on the streets and getting pepper sprayed, they can speak for themselves. i think we're at a stage where we have to move from anger to answers, from pointing out problems to pointing out solutions. just generating energy to generating power. at some point, you have to go from protests to politics. some people are going to say we are going to run for office. and rebuild the dream. >> you say that's the only logical next step? >> you have to keep the protest going.
even the people who are inconvenienced by the protests say they understand. the issues they're pointing to are becoming mores salient, not less. so i do think a section of them will turn towards politics. we are recruiting, looking for 2,000 candidates to run for office under the 99% banner. you will see this movement before. >> are you doing yourselves any favors? and i know you're not organizing this thing, but by having demonstrations that disrupt parts of the city and inconveniencing people and you see police officers being hurt and people being pepper sprayed? when i talked to protesters before, they say isn't a great
tradition of civil disobedience in the country? it was about targeting specific laws that were unjust. colored only lunch counters or buses. it's not as if these protests are against specific laws they are trying to protest, is it? >> well, first of all, i think it would be strange if we expected the young folks and struggling folks to come forward and say here is my proposal for derivative reforms. when the people came in they didn't say here is our strategy for the supreme court. they said it's wrong. we don't think we're being treated right. the rest of society stepped up with legislation, with litigation and with the solution. you have been now, we have people sitting on a white hot stove of economic pain for three years, and nobody was talking about anything in washington, d.c. but cut, cut, cut and this phony default crisis. these young people went down to the scene of the crime against the future wall street with tents and blankets and changed the conversation. now we have to change the conditions. that's a long walk. they started off in the right direction. and these sensational scenes that get shown over and over again, most of it is peaceful. it is overwhelmingly peaceful. >> good to have you on the program. thank you.
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time now for ridiculist. this. we are adding the 911 iphone guy. we told you about this guy last week. he called 911 because his iphone wasn't working properly. christmas came early this year because police have just released the 911 tapes. >> emergency 911, kendall county. >> yeah, why is my iphone not working. >> what's not working? >> my iphone, my whole phone's not working right now. >> your home phone is not working? >> my whole phone. my iphone is not working. >> your iphone? okay do you need police or fire or ambulance? >> no, i don't. i just want to know why the hell this thing is not working. >> oh, but that is only the beginning, because the guy called 911 not once, not twice, five times. here's a little sampling from call number two. >> do you have an emergency,
sir? >> yes, i do. my emergency is my [ bleep ] phone don't work. >> okay, what's your address? >> one oh-blah blah blah. >> i did not understand that. >> do you want my phone number? >> if you hadn't guessed it by now, it is possible that this gentleman may have been enjoying some beverages on this particular evening. i'm just thinking. the 911 dispatchers are really trying to help him, but he's just getting more and more frustrated. here's a taste of call number three. >> how about i smash this phone on the floor, okay? why can't i dial the numbers i used to be able to dial? >> that is -- i do not know that. >> at this point, he's threatening violence against his own property, which would only leave his phone as smashed as he sounds. call number four. >> do you have an emergency? >> yeah, i'm trying -- they told me to get the iphone enabled.
>> okay. what's your address and we can have an officer come out and help ya? >> that's really a stupid response. >> if you give us your address, we can have an officer come out and maybe he can help you. >> he can't help me. >> how do you know? >> because they'll shoot me with a gun. >> oh. have you been drinking tonight, sir? >> no. >> okay. >> no, i'm just not very smart. >> i'm not drunk, i'm just not very smart. is there an app for that? at the very least, that is one heck of a slogan for a t-shirt. somebody trademark that puppy. call number five? >> you're going to have an officer come over help me find out why my phone's not working? >> yes, because i can't help you. i don't know why your phone is not working, sir. >> well, that's pretty dumb. >> on whose part? >> on everybody's part. >> on everybody's part.